Got my Book

[mematrix]

:biggrin: Hi All I got my Cichlid atlas vol 1 and am very happy with it. Was defenitly able to ID my cruzi as a cruzi. Which By the way have spawned I pulled the eggs since I have a snail prob right now about 30 eggs look to be viable will know in 3 days LOL. Ihave seen some awsome fish in the book like the Apistogramma sp emerald on pg 922 how can I find some? There are others but this one is really interesting to me.

Curtis

[Mike Wise]

I need to tell you something. Uwe's atlas shows at least 2, possibly more species as A. cruzi. Which of his "A. cruzi" do you have (look at the caudal spot at the base of the tail)?

[mematrix]

Hi Mike My A.cruzi is the one in the bottom photo He looks just like him. now that he has grown some when i asked you to ID a while back they were only 4 and 5 cm now they are at least fem 5cm male 7-8 cm

Curtis

[Mike Wise]

Bottom of which page??

[mematrix]

Oops I ment to ad a couple ?s when is the hatchery opening up. and i was checking out southen apistos and saw A.mortenthaler tryied to googel but no matches is there another name it goes by?

Curtis

[mematrix]

Bottom of which page??
page 359 sorry

Curtis

[Mike Wise]

A. sp. Mortenthaler is the same fish as A. cf. martini (= A. sp. Leierschwanz/Lyretail 1 (yellow morph)). We are not positive that this is the same fish that Römer described as A. martini (= A. sp. Leierschwanz/Lyretail 2 (blue morph)). The 2 populations have differently marked caudal spots & other markings.

The true A. cruzi - the one with a bi-color tail (red/orange top lobe & pink bottom lobe) & a more square caudal spot (see: Römer Atlas p. 359 bottom & 360) is exceedingly rare in the hobby.

[mematrix]

Thanks Mike The person i got thease from got them from a friend who used to import fish from peru and he told her they were Cruzi mine are supposed to be F1s hers were wild she still has the male but lost her female I will have to query her on the persons name and take a look at hers closer. again thanks for the info on questions can't wait till the hatchery opens for buisness and see what you all have to offer.

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[Rolo]

A. sp. Mortenthaler is the same fish as A. cf. martini (= A. sp. Leierschwanz/Lyretail 1 (yellow morph)). We are not positive that this is the same fish that Römer described as A. martini (= A. sp. Leierschwanz/Lyretail 2 (blue morph)). The 2 populations have differently marked caudal spots & other markings.

The true A. cruzi - the one with a bi-color tail (red/orange top lobe & pink bottom lobe) & a more square caudal spot (see: Römer Atlas p. 359 bottom & 360) is exceedingly rare in the hobby.

Hi Mike,

are you sure, that A. sp. Mortenthaler ist the same as Lyratail I??? I always thought, it was a synonyme for Lyratail II (= martini). Do you have more info?

And I wouldn't call Lyratail I as A. cf. martini. It's a pretty different species. Even Uwe said, that A. martini has nothing to do with Lyratail I, they are two species.

best regards,
Rolo

[Mike Wise]

Rolo has pointed out a problem with this common name. It seems that Martin Mortenthaler shipped the type material of A. martini to Römer for description. This was the 'type II' blue form of the Lyretail Apisto (=A. martini). This is an extremely rare fish in the hobby (at least in North America). Instead, we get the yellow 'type I' form in the USA under the name 'A. sp. Mortenthaler'. Since memetrix was asking about Mortenthaler from a North American source I expect that these are the yellow type I form. So, which species is the real Mortenthaler - now that both fish have been sold/discussed under the same name? This is a good reason to never use A. sp. Mortenthaler again.

[LyreTail]

I thought my fish were Cruzi species until Mike assured me the were in fact properly identified by Mr Jacobs at Southern Apistos as A sp "Papagei". Mergus Cichlid Atlas Vol 1 does not contain this fish

Curtis B